Thread:PassionatePubli/@comment-31642501-20200520080058

Greetings! I have been informed by a few outside sources that you, sir, have been one of the most infamous sources of "nbphobia" known to this wiki as of today. Which is truly a shame, indeed! I do not wish to start an argument about this topic, so I, as a nonbinary Cookie Run fan myself, simply wish to make some inquiries about your thought processes behind some of the things you have said to people on this site who have been concerned about the topic.

Out of the few screenshots of your replies that I have read, I was quite perturbed by one in particular (https://cookierun.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:63265,) which I will address in individual parts due to its length:

"Can you at least take the L on calling me a transphobe when I'm literally a transman. But I guess that doesn't matter if you can use more name calling...?" ​​​​​​ ​​

If I may put it bluntly, it is absolutely possible for a transgender person to be transphobic. Being part of the oppressed group does not give you clearance to disregard, disrespect, or otherwise disturb other people within it for having a different identity than your own. Prejudice is simply such.

"This behavior is embarrassing. Instead of talking this out civilly you just resort immediately to insults. Nothing on the wiki is misinformation."

It is very pleasing to know that you and the other moderators/administrators of the wiki put so much effort into assuring it is as accurate and up-to-date as possible! However, there always is room for improvement in any situation, so to have this mindset as a constant may be a bit harmful for someone with such power over a community wiki.

"You know what IS true? That basically the only cookies that are actually labeled with pronouns outside of the binary are inhuman. A squid, an alien, a robot, an angel (for which they tried to delete the pronouns off of but forgot one so that's delightful of them ain't it)"

This statement is simply incorrect. The pronouns "it/its" have been used for multiple cookies since the days of the original LINE Cookie Run translation (as well as they/them!) Not only are "it" pronouns commonly used by human transgender people, but no Cookie was ever human in the first place! Humans, as well as humanoid entities, exist seperately within the Cookie Run universe; we can assume this as true by the existence of the Witch.

I would also like to add that the deletion of Angel Cookie's pronouns has occured for two different reasons in the past:

1. A couple of times, Angel Cookie has been mistakenly referred to with she/her pronouns by the OvenBreak translators. Whenever this has occured, as well as similar situations such as when Snow Sugar Cookie's Aurora Cloak costume referred to them with he/him pronouns, the translation has been quickly and silently corrected.

2. In the original Korean OvenBreak description for Angel Cookie, '''there are also no direct pronouns used to refer to them. '''Therefore, it would likely benefit you to stop coming to immediate conclusions about the intentions of DevSisters in altering the translation as such.

"and a literal, devil. Do you not see a problem there? How about you question why devsis is doing that, why they refuse to use they/them or anything else in the game for pretty much any of the other cookies that they haven't specifically denoted a gender for."

In reference to my previous statement, this is simply not true. While there is the more recent case of Mango Cookie referring to Ananas Dragon Cookie with they/them pronouns while speaking of them, it seems that by your standards, Ananas is not completely "human." So, here is Roguefort Cookie directly referring to themself with singular "they" during one of the Cookie Detective: Solve The Mystery event cutscenes. https://youtu.be/HLwlAwCk6Wk?t=215

"Perhaps the problem lays with the translators, and not one sad soul on the wiki who's just trying to put information in a way that doesn't express that the information stated in the Japanese version is necessarily accurate, but also that the English version has not provided information that we can truly trust unless they literally go the extra mile and use they/them, it/its, or any other nonbinary pronouns."

I already have addressed most of these arguments. Although, I do question how the way that a Cookie is referred to in Japanese applies to an English Cookie Run wiki?

"Also, this is probably going to be handwaved, but it's super racist to imply that the English translation is automatically superior to the Japanese version, idk, especially when there are a lot of nonbinary Japanese people and while there is no defining gender neutral pronoun there certainly are pronouns that can be used as such and those aren't the ones being used in this game. (Except for Pitaya. Notice how I didn't put trivia for them? Because I'm not just sitting around lying for sport.)"

There are a lot of assumptions being made in this statement! Looking back to the original comment that you are addressing in this reply, there was never a single mention as to English being in any way a superior language to Japanese. While it is true that there are gender neutral pronouns in Japanese, said pronouns are only used as first person pronouns, and even then not all nonbinary Japanese people use these to refer to themselves. Most of the time, using a gendered term to refer to another person in Japanese can be entirely avoided by simply omitting the use of pronouns at all. However, just as pronouns are subjective in terms of gender in English, this is the same case in Japanese, as well. And, once again, this wiki is created for English players of the English translation of OvenBreak; it is trivial that concerns about the Japanese translation of the game are being brought to light at all! ​​​​

"Stop being instantly toxic and assuming the worst of me and understand that there's more to this story than me just "hating nonbinary people" (which I don't) when I am extremely critical of what the English translators have done and think it's nasty that it's so, so hard for them to use a simple nonbinary pronoun that would take them two seconds to type in."

I am very glad that you do not hate nonbinary people! The concern that has been brought up by myself and many others about your behavior is how vehemently you seem to have rejected the idea that there may be more to the thought processes of the translators of OvenBreak than simply distasteful ideology. And, once more, I have already previously addressed this final statement of it being "so difficult" for the translators to simply use singular they pronouns at multiple points within this comment.

So, overall, I do not believe that you are a bad person, or that you have malevolent intentions within any of your countless contributions to this wiki. I do believe, however, that you have been coming to a lot of uninformed conclusions about the situation at hand, which does make you look quite entitled from an outside perspective, to say the least. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to read over all of this, and I hope that I was able to clear up some of your own suspicions as well, as many were just simple misunderstandings.

​​Additionally, if you would like me to provide additional explanation or proof for any of my own statements, I will be happy to do so. Cheers!

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